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Wednesday, August 10, 2005

My response to those who say we need to pull out of Iraq NOW

This was posted by me in response to "The Cindy Sheehan Rorshach Test". One of the comments was someone who felt that we needed to just pull out of Iraq. I don't thaink that is honorable....hell, I didn't think pulling out of Vietnam was honorable either. If you're going to fight a war, you commit all resources necessary to win. Fuck "police actions". If you are going to invade a country and trash what infrastructure they have left after international sanctions(supported by you) have already weakened it, then you damn well have the moral obligation to fix what you broke.

I'm a strange beast, with a rather old-fashioned sense of honor. It's why when I fantasy role play my damn charaters end up as paladins and knights, even if I start them on the dicey side of the law...I HAVE to play it straight, I HAVE to help the downtrodden. I HAVE to follow the golden rule....of course, being the good guy means I often finish last, but that isn't the way the world's is supposed to work. But the following is my take:


We as a nation screwed up. The majority were taken in by the Bushistas and railroaded through attacks on their patriotism into giving him carte blanche. Those who disagreed were smeared and villified, and the PEOPLE of the US permitted, even abetted it. To add insult to injury, George Bush was re-elected when by rights, if the voters of the country had been paying attention and listening and remembering what our nation was founded on, no amount of voter fraud on earth should have elected him. EVERY patriot should have voted against him.

But he projected empathy which the folks who needed to see could believe(it rang false to me), he projected strength(through stubborn refusal to admit mistakes and sheer repetition of talking points. The sheeple who desperatly needed a leader allowed themselves to be convinced that GW was a leader. Yet there has been a core of folks who have never been bamboozled, who have sought to show the trith. No one listened.

Yes, the Bush WH started the war. But it was with the complacent complicity of the American people too lazy or timid to actually think, too busy with their pursuit of money or leisure to become informed, to analyze, to think. I lay the blame equally with the American people who allowed this and abetted this by voting republican.

For this reason, we need to stay the course. The course needs to change radically. We need to cut out those tax breaks for the rich and pay our bills. We need to go hat in hand to the UN and the ME countries and ask for help. Several ME countries OFFERED to send in police forces-trained folk who were not heathen sinners, who understood the culture. Bushco refused them. We need to ask the insurgents to negotiate, and go in with the knowlege that WE broke it, WE need to fix it. The infrastructure, the economy. Admit that they have problems with us and ask THEM what we need to do to discharge our moral obligation while they allow it to happen. Get Haliburton OUT. Hire Iraquis.

Morally, we cannot leave, and the insurgents make it harder and harder every day. Calling for a cease fire and neutral negotiations to go long enough to get water and electricity back up to par. Get Iraquis employed, not independant contractors. But this won't happen with Bushco. It would show weakness, it would smack of admitting errors were made.

I think the only thing that has a breath of a chance to bring true peace to Iraq(outside of their normal fueding among themselves) would be very public resignations and apologies from the Administration- I'm talking _Everyone_ from Bush down to his cabinet and maybe the joint chiefs. Then whoever takes over will be able to start clean, to act with honor.

It ain't gonna happen.

9 Comments:

At 8/10/2005 6:29 PM, Blogger SB Gypsy said...

Hi, Wild Clover,

Yes, I agree, it won't happen!

I knew before the last election that we are doing nothing constructive in Iraq, and we should get out of there. If I were made president tomorrow, the first thing I would do is go to the UN and make a speech pretty much saying "I'm sorry, so so sorry, we'll go now - send us the bill for what we broke, and uh, we're going now...."

There's nothing really else to do. Staying there is only breeding freedom fighters, and putting a big bullseye on our soldiers.

Staying there is only prolonging the war, and making it worse, day by day for the women and children, for the widows and orphans - on both sides.

 
At 9/24/2005 12:46 PM, Blogger SB Gypsy said...

Hey Wild Clover,

You've been tagged for the Meme:

The Rules
Remove the blog at #1 from the following list and bump every one up one place; add your blog's name in the #5 spot; link to each of the other blogs for the desired cross pollination effect.

1. Left of Centrist
2. Fun Central
3. Last Left Turn Before Hooterville
4. It's Morning Somewhere
5. The Gypsy's Caravan

Next: Select four new friends to add to the pollen count. (No one is obligated to participate and anyone can play if they want to). (I'm glad about that caveat - I'm not the best at always getting to it when I'm tagged, although it's always nice!)


'The Meme':
1.) What were you doing 10 years ago?
2.) What were you doing 5 years ago?
3.) What were you doing one year ago?
4.) What were you doing yesterday?
5.) Five snacks you enjoy
6.) Five songs I know all the words to.
7.) Five things you would do if you had a million dollars
8.) Five things you like doing
9.) Five bad habits
10.) Five things I would never wear again
11.) Five favorite toys

 
At 10/30/2005 12:15 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wild Clover - I have to say - you really get some strange spam on your site! I am always amazed by what some advertisers consider necessary information!

As for Iraq - we cannot just leave. The mess would get even worse and definitely more dangerous for us in both the long and short run. I just cannot believe we were stupid enough to manufacture another Vietnam!

Great post – don’t you wish our government were reading it as well?

 
At 11/02/2005 11:57 PM, Blogger Wild Clover said...

Hey Gypsy!

I've been neglectful and had not realized anyone had posted over here. The spam was boring and has been deleted(announced so anyone reading your comment won't be as confused as otherwise they might have been).

 
At 11/19/2005 9:18 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Happy belated Birthday !

I understand how you feel about the situation caused by this country, but I just can't go along with all this.

You see it is my kids who would be expected to lose life and limb for the willful lies commited by this government. The United Nations should have been involved in this more. Actually what a joke! Like that could have happened. No, maybe because of Nam, but more because I don't want them changed like this war would change them. I still hope for some spark of wonderment in them although they are now old enough to realize no one lives happily ever after.

This has all been so wrong and yet I recall when it fully struck me in August of 2002 thinking "ok, well,you think you can run over Iraq, watch gleefully as Syria folds in upon itself then help Israel take out Iran. You had better do it quick and more importantly you had better do it right".

I understood then that no matter what I were to say or do this was the intent and it would begin.
They will never back down,never and don't forget that.

 
At 12/27/2005 1:10 PM, Blogger DuWayne Brayton said...

I would tend to agree. I do think we need to pull out but not in one big swoop. We need to have a phased withdrawl and ask the UN - I know, such a dirty word, to facilitate the peacefull breakdown of Iraq. Iraq is going to disintegrate - it should be facilitated by an entity that has little bias in the matter and the UN is the only body that can really claim that.

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